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		<title>Comment on Where should the digital humanities live ? by peterwebster</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 21:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m grateful to Josh for this response. The fact that he feels that DH needs defending from me makes me think that perhaps I didn&#039;t make my point clearly enough, although I had thought that the first paragraph might suffice. Of course we need to think, and as a matter of urgency, about &#039;what it means to be human ... in a digital age.&#039; However, I still don&#039;t see that those concerns are fundamentally different from those that have preoccupied historians, scholars of literature, philosophers and students of culture and technology as they have studied successive cultural and technological shifts that predate the digital. I simply don&#039;t see a distinctive &#039;discipline&#039; called DH that is so distinct in its concerns from both the &quot;regular&quot; humanities on one side, and on the other from the sciences (social and biological) that it is best fostered in faculties/schools/departments that have the same institutional position as the other disciplines.

Josh also chides me for being technologically deterministic. Since the main burden of the post was that the location of DH within universities influences practice, I would have accepted a charge of &lt;em&gt;organisational&lt;/em&gt; determinism. As for technological determinism, I&#039;m afraid I simply don&#039;t see the force of the criticism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m grateful to Josh for this response. The fact that he feels that DH needs defending from me makes me think that perhaps I didn&#8217;t make my point clearly enough, although I had thought that the first paragraph might suffice. Of course we need to think, and as a matter of urgency, about &#8216;what it means to be human &#8230; in a digital age.&#8217; However, I still don&#8217;t see that those concerns are fundamentally different from those that have preoccupied historians, scholars of literature, philosophers and students of culture and technology as they have studied successive cultural and technological shifts that predate the digital. I simply don&#8217;t see a distinctive &#8216;discipline&#8217; called DH that is so distinct in its concerns from both the &#8220;regular&#8221; humanities on one side, and on the other from the sciences (social and biological) that it is best fostered in faculties/schools/departments that have the same institutional position as the other disciplines.</p>
<p>Josh also chides me for being technologically deterministic. Since the main burden of the post was that the location of DH within universities influences practice, I would have accepted a charge of <em>organisational</em> determinism. As for technological determinism, I&#8217;m afraid I simply don&#8217;t see the force of the criticism.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Where should the digital humanities live ? by Josh Honn (@joshhonn)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 18:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To defend DH a bit here, this seems to me a highly limited and technologically deterministic view of digital humanities. To me, DH encompasses not just digital methodologies and tools that can help us ask new (and old) questions, but it also involves a critical study of those very same tools and all of digital culture to help us further understand what it means to be human (or posthuman, or whatever) in a digital age. Granted, DH has become an umbrella term for a lot of things, and I think this is mostly (though certainly not only) strategic, but some of the best work I&#039;ve come across includes, in addition to the work you mention, platform studies (Bogost, Montfort), evil media studies (Fuller, Goffey), cultural logics of computation (Golumbia), postcolonial digital humanities (Risam, Koh), media archaeology (Emerson), and a lot more. The argument you present here, that technology has a job to do that we can simply harness to do better what we&#039;ve always done seems to me precisely the kind of dangerous situation that makes digital humanities so vitally important. Just as humanities is not &quot;the book,&quot; digital humanities is not the word processor, though I&#039;ve read some very great DH work on the social, cultural, political formation and implications of the word processor, and that, to me, is what you&#039;ve left out of this equation. 

I&#039;ve tried to embody this &quot;wider&quot; view of DH in my work as a librarian, particularly in &lt;a href=&quot;http://sites.library.northwestern.edu/dh/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Guide to Digital Humanities&quot;&lt;/a&gt; (and I&#039;m always open to suggestions and criticisms!) and in my consultations and collaborations with faculty interested in digital humanities, through acts of critical curation of tools and wide-ranging discussions on everything from the cultural biases of metadata to the dangers to techno-utopianism. To me, DH is a way of confronting the anxieties of the digital age, but also of making sure we remain human, even as what it means to be human takes on more virtual and digital forms.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To defend DH a bit here, this seems to me a highly limited and technologically deterministic view of digital humanities. To me, DH encompasses not just digital methodologies and tools that can help us ask new (and old) questions, but it also involves a critical study of those very same tools and all of digital culture to help us further understand what it means to be human (or posthuman, or whatever) in a digital age. Granted, DH has become an umbrella term for a lot of things, and I think this is mostly (though certainly not only) strategic, but some of the best work I&#8217;ve come across includes, in addition to the work you mention, platform studies (Bogost, Montfort), evil media studies (Fuller, Goffey), cultural logics of computation (Golumbia), postcolonial digital humanities (Risam, Koh), media archaeology (Emerson), and a lot more. The argument you present here, that technology has a job to do that we can simply harness to do better what we&#8217;ve always done seems to me precisely the kind of dangerous situation that makes digital humanities so vitally important. Just as humanities is not &#8220;the book,&#8221; digital humanities is not the word processor, though I&#8217;ve read some very great DH work on the social, cultural, political formation and implications of the word processor, and that, to me, is what you&#8217;ve left out of this equation. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tried to embody this &#8220;wider&#8221; view of DH in my work as a librarian, particularly in <a href="http://sites.library.northwestern.edu/dh/" rel="nofollow">A Guide to Digital Humanities&#8221;</a> (and I&#8217;m always open to suggestions and criticisms!) and in my consultations and collaborations with faculty interested in digital humanities, through acts of critical curation of tools and wide-ranging discussions on everything from the cultural biases of metadata to the dangers to techno-utopianism. To me, DH is a way of confronting the anxieties of the digital age, but also of making sure we remain human, even as what it means to be human takes on more virtual and digital forms.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why historians should care about web archiving by Why historians should care about web archiving ...</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 09:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Someone said to me at a conference recently (not his exact words), &ldquo;if we can&rsquo;t get historians interested in web archives, then who can we reach ?&rdquo; But so far, there hasn&rsquo;t been much visible engage&#8230;&nbsp; [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Where should the digital humanities live ? by Michael J. Kramer (@kramermj)</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 01:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Peter -- 

Your post made me ponder the differences implicit and explicit between a &quot;silo&quot; (boo! bad! I presume) and a &quot;community of practice&quot; (huzzah, good?) as well as between a &quot;cluster of new techniques that give rise to new questions&quot; as compared to a &quot;discipline&quot; (what&#039;s the difference between those two?), and &quot;disruptive technologies&quot; as compared to &quot;integrated&quot; ones (do all disruptive technologies eventually get integrated? Is this a good thing always? What would it mean for dh to never stop disrupting?). 

My question is this: what if you turned around your fear-of-the-silo argument? If DH is indeed a &quot;cluster of new techniques that give rise to new questions&quot; is that not a discipline in its own right? And if it is a discipline in its own right, should it then have the institutional clout afforded by departmental status, funding, etc. even if that status is in service of trying, ultimately, to reimagine the very existence of &quot;siloing&quot; forces? Will DH have enough institutional strength to disrupt those isolating tendencies—intellectually, ethically, politically, economically—if its goal is to one day self-immolate, purified into the pure spirit of the existing disciplinary traditions? Why are those existing siloed departments good, but a department of digital humanities bad? 

I think the key here is not just the presence of the term &quot;digital&quot; but also of the term &quot;humanities&quot; in DH. That&#039;s the difference between DH and word processing or social media. So I don&#039;t agree with your comparisons there. Something different going on with DH, more like History, Philosophy, Classics perhaps in its methodological distinctiveness, perhaps? 

Indeed, I would even venture to say that it might be good if suddenly others were sending digital folks over to the Perkins Building, as it were, to the Department of Digital Humanities. This might even have a strange way of achieving the very integration you seek. Only now that integration would happen not by the end game of bringing DH into History, Philosophy, Classics and closing up shop so that there is no more DH. Rather it would be by bringing History, Philosophy, Classics into DH. But not to close up those other &quot;shops&quot; (I mean silos, I mean disciplines, I mean communities of practice!). Rather the goal of bringing other humanistic fields into DH would be to enhance them both as specialized pursuits—disciplines, even silos—and as interdisciplinary ventures

What are these silos anyway? Grain silos? Missile silos? I never quite understand the metaphor at work in this buzzword.

Well, this is what your post made me ponder. Thanks. See you over at the Perkins Building one day, I hope!

-- Michael]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter &#8212; </p>
<p>Your post made me ponder the differences implicit and explicit between a &#8220;silo&#8221; (boo! bad! I presume) and a &#8220;community of practice&#8221; (huzzah, good?) as well as between a &#8220;cluster of new techniques that give rise to new questions&#8221; as compared to a &#8220;discipline&#8221; (what&#8217;s the difference between those two?), and &#8220;disruptive technologies&#8221; as compared to &#8220;integrated&#8221; ones (do all disruptive technologies eventually get integrated? Is this a good thing always? What would it mean for dh to never stop disrupting?). </p>
<p>My question is this: what if you turned around your fear-of-the-silo argument? If DH is indeed a &#8220;cluster of new techniques that give rise to new questions&#8221; is that not a discipline in its own right? And if it is a discipline in its own right, should it then have the institutional clout afforded by departmental status, funding, etc. even if that status is in service of trying, ultimately, to reimagine the very existence of &#8220;siloing&#8221; forces? Will DH have enough institutional strength to disrupt those isolating tendencies—intellectually, ethically, politically, economically—if its goal is to one day self-immolate, purified into the pure spirit of the existing disciplinary traditions? Why are those existing siloed departments good, but a department of digital humanities bad? </p>
<p>I think the key here is not just the presence of the term &#8220;digital&#8221; but also of the term &#8220;humanities&#8221; in DH. That&#8217;s the difference between DH and word processing or social media. So I don&#8217;t agree with your comparisons there. Something different going on with DH, more like History, Philosophy, Classics perhaps in its methodological distinctiveness, perhaps? </p>
<p>Indeed, I would even venture to say that it might be good if suddenly others were sending digital folks over to the Perkins Building, as it were, to the Department of Digital Humanities. This might even have a strange way of achieving the very integration you seek. Only now that integration would happen not by the end game of bringing DH into History, Philosophy, Classics and closing up shop so that there is no more DH. Rather it would be by bringing History, Philosophy, Classics into DH. But not to close up those other &#8220;shops&#8221; (I mean silos, I mean disciplines, I mean communities of practice!). Rather the goal of bringing other humanistic fields into DH would be to enhance them both as specialized pursuits—disciplines, even silos—and as interdisciplinary ventures</p>
<p>What are these silos anyway? Grain silos? Missile silos? I never quite understand the metaphor at work in this buzzword.</p>
<p>Well, this is what your post made me ponder. Thanks. See you over at the Perkins Building one day, I hope!</p>
<p>&#8211; Michael</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wikipedia, authority and the free rider problem by More on Wikipedia &#124; The Ruminations and Blogspot of Taulby Edmondson</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 May 2013 21:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] the American Historical Association, today, posted an article by historian Peter Webster titled Wikipedia, Authority and the Free rider Problem. The article actually makes many of the same assertions and points that mine did. For instance, he [&#8230;]]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 May 2013 08:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Wikipedia, authority and the free rider problem by davidunderdown95</title>
		<link>http://peterwebster.wordpress.com/2013/04/29/wikipedia-authority-and-the-free-rider-problem/#comment-61</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 20:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can claim a certain amount of credit for pushing an article over some of the quality barriers (this is more obvious in the more organised project - the Military History project is quite good at it) - though still not really in a way you could claim any academic credit for it of course. Well not for academic advancement beyond postgrad. I think some undergrad courses have used the article development process.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can claim a certain amount of credit for pushing an article over some of the quality barriers (this is more obvious in the more organised project &#8211; the Military History project is quite good at it) &#8211; though still not really in a way you could claim any academic credit for it of course. Well not for academic advancement beyond postgrad. I think some undergrad courses have used the article development process.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Just how important is the monograph for history ? by Encounters with DHers: Thoughts on Scholarly Social Media &#124; Nickoal&#039;s DH Blog</title>
		<link>http://peterwebster.wordpress.com/2013/03/06/just-how-important-is-the-monograph-for-history/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Encounters with DHers: Thoughts on Scholarly Social Media &#124; Nickoal&#039;s DH Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2013 04:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] matter, will there be a need for journals as homes for articles? Peter Webster asks these questions in relation to the study of history. Given the scholarly communication tradition for historians to produce &#8220;the big book,&#8221; [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on On historians&#8217; electronic &#8216;papers&#8217; by What use is a personal tweet archive ? &#124; Webstory: Peter Webster&#039;s blog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[What use is a personal tweet archive ? &#124; Webstory: Peter Webster&#039;s blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Apr 2013 10:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 19:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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